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IBM 9020 FAA/ATC Systems from 1960's
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m***@gmail.com
2018-06-17 11:22:21 UTC
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Having recently discovered a salvage case, I'm interested in this system.
Is there any online information about it? Google/image searches came up very
light. I located Vol.6, No.2 of the IBM Systems Journal (from 1967)
describing the system and programs for it, but I'd like more, including
pictures if there are any to be found. There are only a few drawings in the
SJ.
Thanks, Dan House
This is an email of yours, long time ago. Are you still interested in IBM9020? If you are, I have come accross most of its schematic diagrams that explain almost everything you need to know and I am thinking of selling those (at a very reasonable price) since there is no more space available in my storage room. Please let me know.
Regards
Michael
JimP
2018-06-17 14:56:55 UTC
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Post by m***@gmail.com
Having recently discovered a salvage case, I'm interested in this system.
Is there any online information about it? Google/image searches came up very
light. I located Vol.6, No.2 of the IBM Systems Journal (from 1967)
describing the system and programs for it, but I'd like more, including
pictures if there are any to be found. There are only a few drawings in the
SJ.
Thanks, Dan House
This is an email of yours, long time ago. Are you still interested in IBM9020? If you are, I have come accross most of its schematic diagrams that explain almost everything you need to know and I am thinking of selling those (at a very reasonable price) since there is no more space available in my storage room. Please let me know.
Regards
Michael
That was 17 years ago. But they could still be around.
Al Kossow
2018-06-18 16:14:16 UTC
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Post by m***@gmail.com
This is an email of yours, long time ago. Are you still interested in IBM9020? If you are, I have come accross most of its schematic diagrams that explain almost everything you need to know and I am thinking of selling those (at a very reasonable price) since there is no more space available in my storage room. Please let me know.
I tried emailing him since the Computer History Museum would be interested in the 9020 ALDs, but got no reply.
Chris Bigos
2021-03-02 13:54:14 UTC
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Post by Al Kossow
Post by m***@gmail.com
This is an email of yours, long time ago. Are you still interested in IBM9020? If you are, I have come accross most of its schematic diagrams that explain almost everything you need to know and I am thinking of selling those (at a very reasonable price) since there is no more space available in my storage room. Please let me know.
I tried emailing him since the Computer History Museum would be interested in the 9020 ALDs, but got no reply.
Hi Al. I have the ALDs for the Compute Element (S/360-65) 'heart' of the 9020. I also have the Compute Element :-)
Also a LOT of of other 9020 documentation.
JimP
2021-03-02 16:16:43 UTC
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 05:54:14 -0800 (PST), Chris Bigos
Post by Chris Bigos
Post by Al Kossow
Post by m***@gmail.com
This is an email of yours, long time ago. Are you still interested in IBM9020? If you are, I have come accross most of its schematic diagrams that explain almost everything you need to know and I am thinking of selling those (at a very reasonable price) since there is no more space available in my storage room. Please let me know.
I tried emailing him since the Computer History Museum would be interested in the 9020 ALDs, but got no reply.
Hi Al. I have the ALDs for the Compute Element (S/360-65) 'heart' of the 9020. I also have the Compute Element :-)
Also a LOT of of other 9020 documentation.
Only replying to a 2018 post, not so old as others have done.

That person might still be around.
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Jim
JimP
2021-03-02 20:05:46 UTC
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Post by JimP
On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 05:54:14 -0800 (PST), Chris Bigos
Post by Chris Bigos
Post by Al Kossow
Post by m***@gmail.com
This is an email of yours, long time ago. Are you still interested in IBM9020? If you are, I have come accross most of its schematic diagrams that explain almost everything you need to know and I am thinking of selling those (at a very reasonable price) since there is no more space available in my storage room. Please let me know.
I tried emailing him since the Computer History Museum would be interested in the 9020 ALDs, but got no reply.
Hi Al. I have the ALDs for the Compute Element (S/360-65) 'heart' of the 9020. I also have the Compute Element :-)
Also a LOT of of other 9020 documentation.
Only replying to a 2018 post, not so old as others have done.
That person might still be around.
One of the above emailed me. I marked their email as spam. I'm not
interested in the document.
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Jim
Chris Bigos
2021-03-02 20:14:11 UTC
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I received the same email and did the same for the same reason.

d***@gmail.com
2019-05-04 14:27:57 UTC
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Having recently discovered a salvage case, I'm interested in this system.
Is there any online information about it? Google/image searches came up very
light. I located Vol.6, No.2 of the IBM Systems Journal (from 1967)
describing the system and programs for it, but I'd like more, including
pictures if there are any to be found. There are only a few drawings in the
SJ.
Thanks, Dan House
Jon Elson
2019-05-04 21:00:12 UTC
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Having recently discovered a salvage case, I'm interested in this system.
Is there any online information about it? Google/image searches came up very
light. I located Vol.6, No.2 of the IBM Systems Journal (from 1967)
describing the system and programs for it, but I'd like more, including
pictures if there are any to be found. There are only a few drawings in
the SJ.
Thanks, Dan House
I don't know where this message came from, but the 9020 was composed of a
buch of custom hardware, and several modified IBM 360 mainframes. The 9020D
Diaplay Element was a modified 360/50 with some additions to microcode and a
slightly different front panel. The 9020E Compute Element was a modified
360/65 also with added microcode and a slightly different front panel.

There ARE some pictures of the machines on the net.

Jon
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
2019-05-04 23:43:30 UTC
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Post by Jon Elson
I don't know where this message came from, but the 9020 was composed
of a buch of custom hardware, and several modified IBM 360 mainframes.
The 9020D Diaplay Element was a modified 360/50 with some additions to
microcode and a slightly different front panel. The 9020E Compute
Element was a modified 360/65 also with added microcode and a slightly
different front panel.
The Brawl in IBM 1964
https://www.amazon.com/Brawl-IBM-1964-Joseph-Fox/dp/1456525514

Two mid air collisions 1956 and 1960 make this FAA procurement
special. The computer selected will be in the critical loop of making
sure that there are no more mid-air collisions. Many in IBM want to not
bid. A marketing manager with but 7 years in IBM and less than one year
as a manager is the proposal manager. IBM is in midstep in coming up
with the new line of computers - the 360. Chaos sucks into the fray many
executives- especially the next chairman, and also the IBM president. A
fire house in Poughkeepsie N Y is home to the technical and marketing
team for 60 very cold and long days. Finance and legal get into the fray
after that.

Joe Fox had a 44 year career in the computer business- and was a vice
president in charge of 5000 people for 7 years in the federal division
of IBM. He then spent 21 years as founder and chairman of a software
corporation. He started the 3 person company in the Washington
D. C. area. He took it public as Template Software in 1995, and sold it
and retired in 1999. With 34 years of management, his enumeration and
depiction of the talents and traits that are to be recognized and
rewarded at all levels of management merit perusal - and even study. He
is also the author of Software and its Development published by Prentice
Hall in 1982, and two paperbacks, What If in 1979 and Trapped in the
Organization in 1980, both published by Price Stern Sloan. His software
book was translated into Russian, and his Executive Qualities was
translated into Spanish. Joe Fox grew up in Brooklyn N.Y., graduated
from St. John's University in Queens, N.Y. with a degree in Mathematics,
and joined IBM in 1956. Twenty years later, still in IBM, he had his
book Executive Qualities published by Addison Wesley in 1976. IBM, not
mentioned nor identified in the book, did not see it before
publication. IBM was not identified as the venue for the management
ideas and concepts. After 9 printings, the publisher discontinued the
book, but it still sells in book form on the Amazon used book
service. Mr. Fox frequently presented the traits, talents, trials and
tribulations detailed in his Executive Qualities book several times at
IBM's Sands Point executive month-long training, and at CIA management
meetings in Langley, Virginia. Mr. Fox chaired several committees for
DOD during his career.

... snip ...

I don't remember running into Joe in IBM ... but after leaving IBM and
working in financial industry ... we had a big contract with Template
and spent lots of time with Joe and some other former IBMers. The Amazon
reviews has some mention of this 2nd part.
https://www.sebokwiki.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Administration_(FAA)_Advanced_Automation_System_(AAS)

while we were doing HA/CMP product, past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp

we participated in some reviews of AAS.
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virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
d***@gmail.com
2019-05-04 14:28:51 UTC
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Having recently discovered a salvage case, I'm interested in this system.
Is there any online information about it? Google/image searches came up very
light. I located Vol.6, No.2 of the IBM Systems Journal (from 1967)
describing the system and programs for it, but I'd like more, including
pictures if there are any to be found. There are only a few drawings in the
SJ.
Thanks, Dan House
Michael J. Kingston - didn't we meet on a Caribbean Island some years ago?
John Levine
2019-05-04 17:27:34 UTC
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You do realize you're responding to an article written 18 years ago?
Post by d***@gmail.com
Having recently discovered a salvage case, I'm interested in this system.
Is there any online information about it? Google/image searches came up very
light. I located Vol.6, No.2 of the IBM Systems Journal (from 1967)
describing the system and programs for it, but I'd like more, including
pictures if there are any to be found. There are only a few drawings in the
SJ.
Thanks, Dan House
Michael J. Kingston - didn't we meet on a Caribbean Island some years ago?
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