Discussion:
Windows XP and HP Laserjet 11
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gareth evans
2023-04-19 12:56:32 UTC
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I've been given a notebook with Windows XP, no I/O ports
save for USB.

I have a HP Laserjet ll for which I still have two unused
toner cartridges.

How can I marry the two together?

Windows XP Laserjet driver?

I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.

TIA
Marco Moock
2023-04-19 14:57:52 UTC
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Post by gareth evans
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
XP supports LaserJet printers, but it seems HP removed them from their
webserver.
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
Connect the printer directly to a PC.

Maybe try out Linux, older HP models work fine with the PCL driver.
I run an OfficeJet 350 on Debian.
gareth evans
2023-04-19 16:33:29 UTC
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Post by Marco Moock
Post by gareth evans
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
XP supports LaserJet printers, but it seems HP removed them from their
webserver.
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
Connect the printer directly to a PC.
Maybe try out Linux, older HP models work fine with the PCL driver.
I run an OfficeJet 350 on Debian.
As it happens I have an older XP laptop with a printer port, and the
Laserjet works fine on that one.

But I'd like to get the notebook printing as well.

I guess that I ought to be able to recover the Laserjet driver
from the leptop to transfer to the notebook, but is there
anyone out there who can hold my hand?

TIA
Scott Lurndal
2023-04-19 17:10:13 UTC
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Post by gareth evans
Post by Marco Moock
Post by gareth evans
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
XP supports LaserJet printers, but it seems HP removed them from their
webserver.
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
Connect the printer directly to a PC.
Maybe try out Linux, older HP models work fine with the PCL driver.
I run an OfficeJet 350 on Debian.
As it happens I have an older XP laptop with a printer port, and the
Laserjet works fine on that one.
But I'd like to get the notebook printing as well.
I guess that I ought to be able to recover the Laserjet driver
from the leptop to transfer to the notebook, but is there
anyone out there who can hold my hand?
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
gareth evans
2023-04-19 17:54:48 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by gareth evans
Post by Marco Moock
Post by gareth evans
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
XP supports LaserJet printers, but it seems HP removed them from their
webserver.
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
Connect the printer directly to a PC.
Maybe try out Linux, older HP models work fine with the PCL driver.
I run an OfficeJet 350 on Debian.
As it happens I have an older XP laptop with a printer port, and the
Laserjet works fine on that one.
But I'd like to get the notebook printing as well.
I guess that I ought to be able to recover the Laserjet driver
from the leptop to transfer to the notebook, but is there
anyone out there who can hold my hand?
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
Not relevant to a discussion about Windows XP
Scott Lurndal
2023-04-19 18:41:46 UTC
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Post by gareth evans
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by gareth evans
Post by Marco Moock
Post by gareth evans
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
XP supports LaserJet printers, but it seems HP removed them from their
webserver.
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
Connect the printer directly to a PC.
Maybe try out Linux, older HP models work fine with the PCL driver.
I run an OfficeJet 350 on Debian.
As it happens I have an older XP laptop with a printer port, and the
Laserjet works fine on that one.
But I'd like to get the notebook printing as well.
I guess that I ought to be able to recover the Laserjet driver
from the leptop to transfer to the notebook, but is there
anyone out there who can hold my hand?
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
Not relevant to a discussion about Windows XP
There is not much relevent about Windows XP these days.
Kerr-Mudd, John
2023-04-19 18:56:10 UTC
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:41:46 GMT
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by gareth evans
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by gareth evans
Post by Marco Moock
Post by gareth evans
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
XP supports LaserJet printers, but it seems HP removed them from their
webserver.
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
Connect the printer directly to a PC.
Maybe try out Linux, older HP models work fine with the PCL driver.
I run an OfficeJet 350 on Debian.
As it happens I have an older XP laptop with a printer port, and the
Laserjet works fine on that one.
But I'd like to get the notebook printing as well.
I guess that I ought to be able to recover the Laserjet driver
from the leptop to transfer to the notebook, but is there
anyone out there who can hold my hand?
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
Not relevant to a discussion about Windows XP
There is not much relevent about Windows XP these days.
Ah. I'm still using it. But I wouldn't expect to ask in a folklore
NG for support. I dunno how far back you'd need to go to get an Ubuntu
distro that'd outpace XP. (Try Debian, Gareth!)
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Peter Flass
2023-04-20 00:55:15 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:41:46 GMT
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by gareth evans
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by gareth evans
Post by Marco Moock
Post by gareth evans
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
XP supports LaserJet printers, but it seems HP removed them from their
webserver.
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
Connect the printer directly to a PC.
Maybe try out Linux, older HP models work fine with the PCL driver.
I run an OfficeJet 350 on Debian.
As it happens I have an older XP laptop with a printer port, and the
Laserjet works fine on that one.
But I'd like to get the notebook printing as well.
I guess that I ought to be able to recover the Laserjet driver
from the leptop to transfer to the notebook, but is there
anyone out there who can hold my hand?
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
Not relevant to a discussion about Windows XP
There is not much relevent about Windows XP these days.
Ah. I'm still using it. But I wouldn't expect to ask in a folklore
NG for support. I dunno how far back you'd need to go to get an Ubuntu
distro that'd outpace XP. (Try Debian, Gareth!)
I still use it in a VM, when I need some particular software. It’s the only
windoze I use, or want.
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Pete
Peter Flass
2023-04-19 18:53:35 UTC
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Post by gareth evans
Post by Marco Moock
Post by gareth evans
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
XP supports LaserJet printers, but it seems HP removed them from their
webserver.
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
Connect the printer directly to a PC.
Maybe try out Linux, older HP models work fine with the PCL driver.
I run an OfficeJet 350 on Debian.
As it happens I have an older XP laptop with a printer port, and the
Laserjet works fine on that one.
But I'd like to get the notebook printing as well.
Share the printer from the laptop?
Post by gareth evans
I guess that I ought to be able to recover the Laserjet driver
from the leptop to transfer to the notebook, but is there
anyone out there who can hold my hand?
TIA
--
Pete
Kurt Weiske
2023-04-20 16:03:00 UTC
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To: Marco Moock
-=> Marco Moock wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-
Post by gareth evans
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
MM> These converters (they are not simple adapters) sometimes don't work.
MM> Connect the printer directly to a PC.

Sometimes it depends on the driver. Some printers used a bidirectional
driver for communication with a tray icon for printer/consumables
status.

I recall digging around for a "corporate" driver that just sent the
print job to the PC without trying to talk to it. It was meant for
printers behind a print server that couldn't do all of the
back-and-forth the "home use" driver was expecting.



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Anssi Saari
2023-04-27 13:45:55 UTC
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Post by gareth evans
I've been given a notebook with Windows XP, no I/O ports
save for USB.
I have a HP Laserjet ll for which I still have two unused
toner cartridges.
How can I marry the two together?
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.

The USB - printer port adapter should show some info in device manager.

Drivers might actually be included in XP so you could just try to add a
driver or a printer? However it went, I think it's been a decade since
I've used XP.
Peter Flass
2023-04-27 16:49:12 UTC
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Post by Anssi Saari
Post by gareth evans
I've been given a notebook with Windows XP, no I/O ports
save for USB.
I have a HP Laserjet ll for which I still have two unused
toner cartridges.
How can I marry the two together?
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.
The USB - printer port adapter should show some info in device manager.
Drivers might actually be included in XP so you could just try to add a
driver or a printer? However it went, I think it's been a decade since
I've used XP.
Isn’t the Laserjet II a PCL printer. Have you tried a vanilla PCL driver?
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Andreas Kohlbach
2023-04-28 06:22:12 UTC
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Post by Anssi Saari
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.
Parallel port rules! ;-)

Around 2002 I found a Star NLC-10 matrix printer on a flea
market. Connected it via the parallel port my computer still had (was
from 1999).

Today I would have no idea how to connect such an old (was old in 2002
already) printer to a modern system.
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Nicholas D. Richards
2023-04-28 11:45:45 UTC
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Post by Andreas Kohlbach
Post by Anssi Saari
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.
Parallel port rules! ;-)
Around 2002 I found a Star NLC-10 matrix printer on a flea
market. Connected it via the parallel port my computer still had (was
from 1999).
Today I would have no idea how to connect such an old (was old in 2002
already) printer to a modern system.
Quick search of Lambdatek's site came up with a parallel port extension
card, for FWIW:

https://www.lambda-tek.com/StarTech-com-PEX1S1P950~sh/B45395809

No guarantee that it would work. Other sources and manufacturers may be
available.
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Carlos E.R.
2023-04-28 12:08:46 UTC
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Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Andreas Kohlbach
Post by Anssi Saari
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.
Parallel port rules! ;-)
Around 2002 I found a Star NLC-10 matrix printer on a flea
market. Connected it via the parallel port my computer still had (was
from 1999).
Today I would have no idea how to connect such an old (was old in 2002
already) printer to a modern system.
Quick search of Lambdatek's site came up with a parallel port extension
https://www.lambda-tek.com/StarTech-com-PEX1S1P950~sh/B45395809
No guarantee that it would work. Other sources and manufacturers may be
available.
My board (quite recent) has a parallel port. Integrated. I was surprised
when I saw it.

I do not need it, what I sought for was a serial port.

07: None 00.0: 0701 Parallel controller (SPP)
[Created at misc.261]
Unique ID: YMnp.ecK7NLYWZ5D
Hardware Class: unknown
Model: "Parallel controller"
Device File: /dev/lp0
I/O Ports: 0x378-0x37a (rw)
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
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Cheers, Carlos.
D.J.
2023-04-28 15:57:01 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 14:08:46 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Andreas Kohlbach
Post by Anssi Saari
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.
Parallel port rules! ;-)
Around 2002 I found a Star NLC-10 matrix printer on a flea
market. Connected it via the parallel port my computer still had (was
from 1999).
Today I would have no idea how to connect such an old (was old in 2002
already) printer to a modern system.
Quick search of Lambdatek's site came up with a parallel port extension
https://www.lambda-tek.com/StarTech-com-PEX1S1P950~sh/B45395809
No guarantee that it would work. Other sources and manufacturers may be
available.
My board (quite recent) has a parallel port. Integrated. I was surprised
when I saw it.
I do not need it, what I sought for was a serial port.
07: None 00.0: 0701 Parallel controller (SPP)
[Created at misc.261]
Unique ID: YMnp.ecK7NLYWZ5D
Hardware Class: unknown
Model: "Parallel controller"
Device File: /dev/lp0
I/O Ports: 0x378-0x37a (rw)
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
I was able to find a USB to serial port cable about 10 years ago. No
idea if they are still avalable.
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Carlos E.R.
2023-04-28 16:33:02 UTC
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Post by D.J.
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by Nicholas D. Richards
Post by Andreas Kohlbach
Post by Anssi Saari
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.
Parallel port rules! ;-)
Around 2002 I found a Star NLC-10 matrix printer on a flea
market. Connected it via the parallel port my computer still had (was
from 1999).
Today I would have no idea how to connect such an old (was old in 2002
already) printer to a modern system.
Quick search of Lambdatek's site came up with a parallel port extension
https://www.lambda-tek.com/StarTech-com-PEX1S1P950~sh/B45395809
No guarantee that it would work. Other sources and manufacturers may be
available.
My board (quite recent) has a parallel port. Integrated. I was surprised
when I saw it.
I do not need it, what I sought for was a serial port.
07: None 00.0: 0701 Parallel controller (SPP)
[Created at misc.261]
Unique ID: YMnp.ecK7NLYWZ5D
Hardware Class: unknown
Model: "Parallel controller"
Device File: /dev/lp0
I/O Ports: 0x378-0x37a (rw)
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
I was able to find a USB to serial port cable about 10 years ago. No
idea if they are still avalable.
Certainly they are, used quite a lot. And to parallel port, not so much.

What is rare is finding them in the board.
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Cheers, Carlos.
Mike Spencer
2023-04-29 05:28:22 UTC
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Post by D.J.
I was able to find a USB to serial port cable about 10 years ago. No
idea if they are still avalable.
I got a USB->serial cable a few years ago on a swap for an Osborne I
EXMON adapter with a guy in Vancouver. Worked fine to connect a dialup
modem after resolving a glitch in the dialer script -- one character
was treated differently than by a real serial connection.

I also went out and found a USB->Centronics cable, anticipating that
I'd upgrade to a router with no parallel printer port and my aged
Brother B&W laser printer was going strong. As it happens, the
printer died before the upgrade happened so now I have a new printer
on ethernet from the new router and a new(er) computer and never
used the adapter cable. Maybe sometime I'll want to ressurect another
old printer. Never throw anything away.
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Bob Eager
2023-04-28 13:03:38 UTC
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Post by Andreas Kohlbach
Post by Anssi Saari
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.
Parallel port rules! ;-)
Around 2002 I found a Star NLC-10 matrix printer on a flea market.
Connected it via the parallel port my computer still had (was from
1999).
Today I would have no idea how to connect such an old (was old in 2002
already) printer to a modern system.
There are parallel port converters. To USB and to Ethernet.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
2023-04-28 07:15:00 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 16:45:55 +0300
Post by Anssi Saari
As I recall, printer port printers did not become known to the system
when plugged in like USB devices do. Especially if they're 1980s
vintage, bidirectional printer ports came much later.
Laplink and PLIP both date from the early-mid 1980s using
bidirectional transfer over printer ports.
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Carlos E.R.
2023-04-27 20:34:33 UTC
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Post by gareth evans
I've been given a notebook with Windows XP, no I/O ports
save for USB.
I have a HP Laserjet ll for which I still have two unused
toner cartridges.
How can I marry the two together?
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
You should subscribe to alt.comp.os.windows-xp and ask there. They are a
support group specialized in Windows XP, and alt.folklore.computers is not.

I don't know how active it is, but I do know that there are many people
still using XP.
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Cheers, Carlos.
Peter Flass
2023-04-27 23:21:56 UTC
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Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by gareth evans
I've been given a notebook with Windows XP, no I/O ports
save for USB.
I have a HP Laserjet ll for which I still have two unused
toner cartridges.
How can I marry the two together?
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
You should subscribe to alt.comp.os.windows-xp and ask there. They are a
support group specialized in Windows XP, and alt.folklore.computers is not.
I don't know how active it is, but I do know that there are many people
still using XP.
I use it very occasionally. IMO it’s a big improvement over its successors.
--
Pete
Charlie Gibbs
2023-04-28 00:13:27 UTC
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Post by Peter Flass
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by gareth evans
I've been given a notebook with Windows XP, no I/O ports
save for USB.
I have a HP Laserjet ll for which I still have two unused
toner cartridges.
How can I marry the two together?
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
You should subscribe to alt.comp.os.windows-xp and ask there. They are a
support group specialized in Windows XP, and alt.folklore.computers is not.
I don't know how active it is, but I do know that there are many people
still using XP.
I use it very occasionally.
Quoting a mouthwash commerical: "I hate it, but I use it - twice a day."
I write back-end stuff so I don't need the new gooey APIs that only the
newer versions provide; XP and good old Borland C++ Builder let me do
what I have to do without all the overhead.
Post by Peter Flass
IMO it’s a big improvement over its successors.
I love that saying; this is one of the situations where I use it the most.

You might also try comp.os.ms-windows.programmer - it's a bit more
active and you might be able to get XP questions answered there.
stackoverflow.com might have some tidbits too.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
2023-04-28 07:38:26 UTC
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Post by Peter Flass
Post by Carlos E.R.
I don't know how active it is, but I do know that there are many people
still using XP.
I use it very occasionally. IMO it’s a big improvement over its successors.
Still a heap of dingo's kidneys though. The less said about its
successors the better.

I'd already selected the OS and window manager I still use today
well before XP came out[1993]. FreeBSD and flwm - unlimited on demand
desktops, separate horizontal and vertical maximise, no clutter, simple
menu system, my troff documents from the 1980s still work fine as do my sc
spreadsheets, standard commands have grown options for new features,
reliable easy upgrades ... I like consistent interfaces.

[1993] It's coming up on thirty years since I first installed FreeBSD, flwm
came later in 1999. It has adapted to the dramatic increase in hardware
capabilities considerably more gracefully than Windows or any Linux based
OS I know of.
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Andreas Kohlbach
2023-04-28 06:25:17 UTC
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Post by gareth evans
I've been given a notebook with Windows XP, no I/O ports
save for USB.
I have a HP Laserjet ll for which I still have two unused
toner cartridges.
How can I marry the two together?
Windows XP Laserjet driver?
I do have a USB to printer port adapter cable, but the
printer is not seen when plugging in.
Have an Ubuntu Linux or similar for an USB stick to boot? Computer needs
a second USB port of course for the printer.

Last year I found a HP 5100 (not sure anymore) laser printer from around
2005, which also only had USB. Linux detected it, but I had to get a
proprietary driver to get it working.
--
Andreas
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