Why Ctrl-v for Paste?!

[m***@mogadore.net]

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

[m***@mogadore.net]

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

[Al Kossow]

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste?

Because it is next to the "Copy" Ctrl-V key and it makes the copy-paste operation faster.

Also, because Apple used <cmd>C and <cmd>V

[Chris J Dixon]

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with the
little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)

and "V" can easily be imagined as an insertion symbol.

Chris

[Bob Eager]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the

keyboard

Post by Chris J Dixon

layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with
the little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is
paste)

and "V" can easily be imagined as an insertion symbol.

I always think of it as the end of a little paste brush.

[Huge]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the

keyboard

Post by Chris J Dixon

layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with
the little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is
paste)

and "V" can easily be imagined as an insertion symbol.

I always think of it as the end of a little paste brush.

It's a downward pointing arrow - insert *here*!

[Peter Flass]

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

I try to stick to the CUA Ctrl-Ins and Shift-ins. Most apps support it.

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by Peter Flass

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

I try to stick to the CUA Ctrl-Ins and Shift-ins. Most apps support it.

Nice thing about X-Windows is that copy & paste doesn't require the
keyboard at all. Select with the left mouse, extend with the right
mouse button and paste with the center button. Two clicks selects
a word, three clicks a sentence, four-clicks a paragraph, five the
entire window.

cut is handled by either select + backspace or select + ^W depending
on whether it's a gtk/qt or X application.

[Lon]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Peter Flass

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

I try to stick to the CUA Ctrl-Ins and Shift-ins. Most apps support it.

Nice thing about X-Windows is that copy & paste doesn't require the
keyboard at all. Select with the left mouse, extend with the right
mouse button and paste with the center button. Two clicks selects
a word, three clicks a sentence, four-clicks a paragraph, five the
entire window.
cut is handled by either select + backspace or select + ^W depending
on whether it's a gtk/qt or X application.

Similar to windows, hardly ever use the kbd... just meece buttons.

[Jorgen Grahn]

...

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Peter Flass
I try to stick to the CUA Ctrl-Ins and Shift-ins. Most apps support it.

Nice thing about X-Windows is that copy & paste doesn't require the
keyboard at all. Select with the left mouse, extend with the right
mouse button and paste with the center button. Two clicks selects
a word, three clicks a sentence, four-clicks a paragraph, five the
entire window.

Oddly, I didn't learn about Shift-Ins for pasting in X11 until last
year, despite having used that windowing environment for almost a
quarter of a century. -- Being able to copy & paste without touching
the keyboard is nice, but Shift-Ins has been a real life-saver for me
ever since.

Post by Scott Lurndal
cut is handled by either select + backspace or select + ^W depending
on whether it's a gtk/qt or X application.

Or KDE, or whatever it's called.

It's a sad story, really. Ever since Motif came, people have tried to
force /their/ improved keyboard bindings onto Unix users, instead of
building on what was already there. I'm personally almost unaffected
since I do all my work in a set of trusty old xterms, but my coworkers
get suckered into using a mix of applications and terminal emulators,
and get stuck on trivial tasks like copying a piece of text from A to
B.

/Jorgen

[Peter Flass]

Post by Jorgen Grahn
...

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Peter Flass
I try to stick to the CUA Ctrl-Ins and Shift-ins. Most apps support it.

Nice thing about X-Windows is that copy & paste doesn't require the
keyboard at all. Select with the left mouse, extend with the right
mouse button and paste with the center button. Two clicks selects
a word, three clicks a sentence, four-clicks a paragraph, five the
entire window.

Oddly, I didn't learn about Shift-Ins for pasting in X11 until last
year, despite having used that windowing environment for almost a
quarter of a century. -- Being able to copy & paste without touching
the keyboard is nice, but Shift-Ins has been a real life-saver for me
ever since.

Post by Scott Lurndal
cut is handled by either select + backspace or select + ^W depending
on whether it's a gtk/qt or X application.

Or KDE, or whatever it's called.
It's a sad story, really. Ever since Motif came, people have tried to
force /their/ improved keyboard bindings onto Unix users, instead of
building on what was already there. I'm personally almost unaffected
since I do all my work in a set of trusty old xterms, but my coworkers
get suckered into using a mix of applications and terminal emulators,
and get stuck on trivial tasks like copying a piece of text from A to
B.

Actually I believe Motif came first. I think it was based on old Apple
standards and codified by IBM in CUA.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 12:15:45 +0000 (UTC)

Post by Peter Flass
Actually I believe Motif came first. I think it was based on old Apple
standards and codified by IBM in CUA.

Motif didn't turn up until near the end of the 1980s. The Athena
widget set and the uwm and twm window managers all date from the mid 1980s.

[Huge]

On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 12:15:45 +0000 (UTC)

Post by Peter Flass
Actually I believe Motif came first. I think it was based on old Apple
standards and codified by IBM in CUA.

All nonsense.

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by Peter Flass

Post by Jorgen Grahn
...

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Peter Flass
I try to stick to the CUA Ctrl-Ins and Shift-ins. Most apps support it.

Nice thing about X-Windows is that copy & paste doesn't require the
keyboard at all. Select with the left mouse, extend with the right
mouse button and paste with the center button. Two clicks selects
a word, three clicks a sentence, four-clicks a paragraph, five the
entire window.

Oddly, I didn't learn about Shift-Ins for pasting in X11 until last
year, despite having used that windowing environment for almost a
quarter of a century. -- Being able to copy & paste without touching
the keyboard is nice, but Shift-Ins has been a real life-saver for me
ever since.

Post by Scott Lurndal
cut is handled by either select + backspace or select + ^W depending
on whether it's a gtk/qt or X application.

Or KDE, or whatever it's called.
It's a sad story, really. Ever since Motif came, people have tried to
force /their/ improved keyboard bindings onto Unix users, instead of
building on what was already there. I'm personally almost unaffected
since I do all my work in a set of trusty old xterms, but my coworkers
get suckered into using a mix of applications and terminal emulators,
and get stuck on trivial tasks like copying a piece of text from A to
B.

Actually I believe Motif came first. I think it was based on old Apple
standards and codified by IBM in CUA.

Motif is built on top of X11, so by definition, X11 came first
(following X10, of course :-).

Motif was the primary component of CDE, IIRC.

[Quadibloc]

My page at

http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/kyb04.htm

has a few. It doesn't include the most ordinary ones, as you can find them in
sources like the manual for DOS 5, but it includes some rarely-seen ones that
haven't made it to computers yet.

John Savard

[Dan Espen]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Post by Quadibloc
My page at
http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/kyb04.htm
has a few. It doesn't include the most ordinary ones, as you can find them in
sources like the manual for DOS 5, but it includes some rarely-seen ones that
haven't made it to computers yet.

Odd, looks like you read/post on ES but you replied to an article from
1999. Doesn't appear to be on ES.

[Quadibloc]

Post by Dan Espen
Odd, looks like you read/post on ES but you replied to an article from
1999. Doesn't appear to be on ES.

Someone else had recently posted to the thread, and so I responded to an article newly visible on GG. Didn't check the date.

John Savard

[Oregonian Haruspex]

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Dan Espen
Odd, looks like you read/post on ES but you replied to an article from
1999. Doesn't appear to be on ES.

Someone else had recently posted to the thread, and so I responded to
an article newly visible on GG. Didn't check the date.

Who cares if the thread is old. This is one of the best features of
Usenet. Most any web forum would be out of business, or the posts from
1999 would have been lost.

[Peter Flass]

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

Post by Dan Espen

Post by Dan Espen
Odd, looks like you read/post on ES but you replied to an article from

1999. Doesn't appear to be on ES.
Someone else had recently posted to the thread, and so I responded to >
an article newly visible on GG. Didn't check the date.

Who cares if the thread is old. This is one of the best features of
Usenet. Most any web forum would be out of business, or the posts from
1999 would have been lost.

They're old enough now to be folklore in their own right.

[Scion]

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Dan Espen
Odd, looks like you read/post on ES but you replied to an article from
1999. Doesn't appear to be on ES.

Someone else had recently posted to the thread, and so I responded to
an article newly visible on GG. Didn't check the date.

Who cares if the thread is old.

Well, I suspect the OP might have given up waiting for an answer...

[Charles Richmond]

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

I always relate control-V for paste... because the V looked like an arrow
pointing downward (toward the document). Another reason is that it was
desired to use th Z, X, V, and C keys for the undo, cut, paste, and copy
operations... four keys in a row on the QWERTY keyboard.

[Oregonian Haruspex]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:38:39 -0800 (PST)

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here,
and I realised I have no idea!

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with the
little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)
while the right hand on the mouse does the selecting and positioning. It's
good ergonimic design - almost as good as the WordStar diamond.

I always thought of X as a little tiny pair of scissors, which 'cut'
out the part you want.

[greymausg]

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:38:39 -0800 (PST)

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here,
and I realised I have no idea!

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with the
little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)
while the right hand on the mouse does the selecting and positioning. It's
good ergonimic design - almost as good as the WordStar diamond.

I always thought of X as a little tiny pair of scissors, which 'cut'
out the part you want.

'V' would be cuniforn, from one of the earliest forms of writing.
'insertion'

[jmfbahciv]

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:38:39 -0800 (PST)

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here,
and I realised I have no idea!

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with the
little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)
while the right hand on the mouse does the selecting and positioning. It's
good ergonimic design - almost as good as the WordStar diamond.

I always thought of X as a little tiny pair of scissors, which 'cut'
out the part you want.

'V' would be cuniforn, from one of the earliest forms of writing.
'insertion'

When I was marking docs up, an insertion would be /\. A V is upsidedown.

/BAH

[Dave Garland]

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:38:39 -0800 (PST)

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here,
and I realised I have no idea!

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for

"paste

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with

the

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)
while the right hand on the mouse does the selecting and positioning. It's
good ergonimic design - almost as good as the WordStar diamond.

I always thought of X as a little tiny pair of scissors, which 'cut'
out the part you want.

'V' would be cuniforn, from one of the earliest forms of writing.
'insertion'

When I was marking docs up, an insertion would be /\. A V is upsidedown.

Often true. Though in my experience, the direction of the arrow was
with the point toward the place where the insert was to go, and the
spread was toward the new copy. Could be either ^ or V, depending on
whether you were writing above or below the line.

If the shorthand arose in the early days of computers, safest to use
the V, as the keyboard might not have an ^ symbol. (But I don't know
when the usage began... Wordstar used ctrl-QK and ctrl-QP ("block cut"
and "block paste")).

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 24 Jan 2015 14:41:58 GMT

Post by jmfbahciv

Post by greymausg
'V' would be cuniforn, from one of the earliest forms of writing.
'insertion'

When I was marking docs up, an insertion would be /\. A V is upsidedown.

I always used something like th/s.
/\

[greymausg]

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:38:39 -0800 (PST)

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here,
and I realised I have no idea!

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for

"paste

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with

the

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)
while the right hand on the mouse does the selecting and positioning. It's
good ergonimic design - almost as good as the WordStar diamond.

I always thought of X as a little tiny pair of scissors, which 'cut'
out the part you want.

'V' would be cuniforn, from one of the earliest forms of writing.
'insertion'

When I was marking docs up, an insertion would be /\. A V is upsidedown.
/BAH

How did you enter( '/\ ' , or('/','\'))
Markup language?.

[jmfbahciv]

Post by greymausg

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:38:39 -0800 (PST)

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here,
and I realised I have no idea!

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for

"paste

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with

the

Post by greymausg

Post by Oregonian Haruspex

little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)
while the right hand on the mouse does the selecting and positioning. It's
good ergonimic design - almost as good as the WordStar diamond.

I always thought of X as a little tiny pair of scissors, which 'cut'
out the part you want.

'V' would be cuniforn, from one of the earliest forms of writing.
'insertion'

When I was marking docs up, an insertion would be /\. A V is upsidedown.
/BAH

How did you enter( '/\ ' , or('/','\'))
Markup language?.

We did it with pencil (never pen) on a listing. All edits were done
from pencil markups on a listing. I would still do that today just
because the method was ingrained since Day 1 at DEC. All DEC
employees did the same if someone else was to do the edit.

/BAH

[greymausg]

Post by jmfbahciv
We did it with pencil (never pen) on a listing. All edits were done
from pencil markups on a listing. I would still do that today just
because the method was ingrained since Day 1 at DEC. All DEC
employees did the same if someone else was to do the edit.
/BAH

Oh, a standard editing (as in old newspaper editing idea)
I was wwndering after if '^' did

[bert]

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste?

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

My Latin dictionary doesn't have "vipectus" or anything like it.
It says that "paste" is "farina chartaria", or loosely speaking
"flour [to apply] to paper".
--

[Stephen Sprunk]

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a
keyboard shortcut for Paste?

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

My Latin dictionary doesn't have "vipectus" or anything like it. It
says that "paste" is "farina chartaria", or loosely speaking "flour
[to apply] to paper".

When I Google "vipectus", 7/10 links on the first page reference that
meaning; one says that's wrong and it's really "βία πηκτικός" ("via
pektikos", to force to congeal). The other two weren't relevant.

S

[Quadibloc]

Post by Stephen Sprunk

Post by m***@mogadore.net

Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a
keyboard shortcut for Paste?

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

My Latin dictionary doesn't have "vipectus" or anything like it. It
says that "paste" is "farina chartaria", or loosely speaking "flour
[to apply] to paper".

When I Google "vipectus", 7/10 links on the first page reference that
meaning; one says that's wrong and it's really "βία πηκτικός" ("via
pektikos", to force to congeal). The other two weren't relevant.

I really, really, find it hard to believe that this was the original reason
that particular character was chosen.

John Savard

[Stephen Sprunk]

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Stephen Sprunk

Post by bert

Post by m***@mogadore.net
CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is
latin for "paste

My Latin dictionary doesn't have "vipectus" or anything like it.
It says that "paste" is "farina chartaria", or loosely speaking
"flour [to apply] to paper".

When I Google "vipectus", 7/10 links on the first page reference
that meaning; one says that's wrong and it's really "βία πηκτικός"
("via pektikos", to force to congeal). The other two weren't
relevant.

I really, really, find it hard to believe that this was the original
reason that particular character was chosen.

I find the proximity explanation more likely; I was just commenting on
the alleged translation of "paste" as "vipectus".

S

[c***@gmail.com]

Control V is for 'verbatim' or for copying exactly what was written.

MSK

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

[Bill Leary]

That could well be.

But I heard something different. It is supposed to put you in mind of an
arrow, and the gesture of CTRL then V meaning more or less, PUT IT HERE.

- Bill

wrote in message news:89ff70a4-6844-4286-a163-***@googlegroups.com...

Control V is for 'verbatim' or for copying exactly what was written.

MSK

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

[r***@gmail.com]

I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.

[Andrew Swallow]

Post by r***@gmail.com
I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.

Ctrl-v for Paste simply because Ctrl-P is Print and V follows C and X on
QWERTY keyboards.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Andrew Swallow

Post by r***@gmail.com
I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.

Ctrl-v for Paste simply because Ctrl-P is Print and V follows C and X on
QWERTY keyboards.

and also that a V looks like an insertion arrow.

Chris

[Bob Eager]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Andrew Swallow

Post by r***@gmail.com
I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.

Ctrl-v for Paste simply because Ctrl-P is Print and V follows C and X on
QWERTY keyboards.

and also that a V looks like an insertion arrow.
Chris

Or, at a stretch...a paste brush.

[Charles Richmond]

Post by Andrew Swallow

Post by r***@gmail.com
I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.

Ctrl-v for Paste simply because Ctrl-P is Print and V follows C and X on
QWERTY keyboards.

And the "V" looks like a proofreader's mark for inserting text.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:11:01 -0700 (PDT)

Post by r***@gmail.com
I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.

Hmm, now see if you can guess why Ctrl-A is back one word in
WordStar - hint Wordstar was probably the best example of great
text mode ergonomics ever created - second hint they got the basic idea
from vi.

[1***@gmail.com]

ctrl+c copy ctrl+v verbatim

[isw]

Post by 1***@gmail.com
ctrl+c copy ctrl+v verbatim

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an afterism ...

Isaac

[Trog Woolley]

Post by isw

Post by 1***@gmail.com
ctrl+c copy ctrl+v verbatim

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an afterism ...
Isaac

Well, ctrl+p was already taken with print so they needed something else.
I think they chose v simply because it is next to c (copy) and x (cut).
I think x is cut because it is supposed to look like a pair of scissors.

[Bill Leary]

Post by 1***@gmail.com
ctrl+c copy ctrl+v verbatim

I don't know that it was specifically chosen for this, but I taught people
to think of it is a down arrow. That is, " v means put it here."

- Bill

[a***@rusdstudents.net]

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

idk susan

[Dave Garland]

Post by a***@rusdstudents.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

idk susan

In the 18 years that have transpired since Adrian asked that question,
I expect someone has already explained to him that "V" is reminiscent
of the editor's mark that means "insert text here".

[Andreas Kohlbach]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Post by a***@rusdstudents.net

Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!

[...]

Post by a***@rusdstudents.net
idk susan

You had about 19 years to find out, and you come up with "idk"?

Also 12:00:00 must be a huge coincidence.

Nah, you're not a troll. ;)

My guess is though keys close to each other should be used. C for copy,
left X for cut and right to the C the V for paste.

When people here talk about WordStar, I remember the diamond, where you
had esdx to move the cursor around. There might be keyboards with no
dedicated cursor keys out there... ;-)

[a***@rusdstudents.net]

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

idk susan

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Post by a***@rusdstudents.net

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!
Thanks,
Adrian Thompson
Laisterdyke GM Middle School
IT Technician
http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

idk susan

Do you suppose, 18 years later, he's still waiting for an answer?

[Quadibloc]

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!

Well, it was used for that back in the days of CP/M by WordStar, so I guess it was just inertia.

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

Post by Quadibloc

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!

Well, it was used for that back in the days of CP/M by WordStar, so I guess
it was just inertia.

...actually, ^V meant "insert" in WordStar, as I noted in my original reply to
you back at the time of your post.

John Savard

[Charles Richmond]

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Quadibloc

Hi.
Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
I realised I have no idea!

Well, it was used for that back in the days of CP/M by WordStar, so I guess
it was just inertia.

...actually, ^V meant "insert" in WordStar, as I noted in my original reply to
you back at the time of your post.

And "V" looks like the proofreader mark for inserting text.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Quadibloc

Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
shortcut for Paste?

Well, it was used for that back in the days of CP/M by WordStar

Did it? I thought ^V toggled between insert/overwrite mode in wordstar.

[h***@bbs.cpcn.com]

With the correct keymap, the lk201 is one of my favorite keyboards. It is
sufficiently heavy that it doesn't move very much if I have it in my lap. It
also has what I think is just a wonderful key feel. The lack of folding leg
thingees is a drawback, as is the odd key layout.

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my
car. I heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

[Mike Causer]

On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my
car. I heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.


Mike

[Bob Eager]

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

[Charlie Gibbs]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

[Gareth's Downstairs Computer]

Post by Charlie Gibbs
Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Big embarrassment during WWII - Bosch was by then a
subsidiary of Lucas.

[J. Clarke]

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:04:46 +0000, Gareth's Downstairs Computer

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer

Post by Charlie Gibbs
Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Big embarrassment during WWII - Bosch was by then a
subsidiary of Lucas.

That would have been news to Bosch. You're probably thinking of
CAV-Bosch Ltd which was jointly owned by Lucas and Bosch until Bosch
decided to get the Prince of Darkness out of their corporate culture
by selling their CAV-Bosch shares to Lucas.

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

[David Wade]

Post by Joe Pfeiffer

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

[JimP]

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

[Gareth's Downstairs Computer]

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

Yeah, don't take the piss out of Yank beers because then there'd be
nothing remaining.

[Huge]

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

[JimP]

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

I've been told by someone in a different newsgroup that British beer
was chewable. If I wanted food, I would order food. But I stopped
drinking any kind of beer or ale last century.

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by JimP

Post by Huge
It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Budweiser doesn't keep horses for their looks :-)

Post by JimP
I've been told by someone in a different newsgroup that British beer
was chewable.

You believe what you read on usenet? Shame on you.

Like the USA, the UK has good beer and not-so-good beer. I'm
partial to Abbot's Ale, myself, but the Irish brew a good stout.
Pete's Wicked Ale is a good American alternative.

[Huge]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by JimP

Post by Huge
It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Budweiser doesn't keep horses for their looks :-)

*grin* Took me a minute.

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by JimP
I've been told by someone in a different newsgroup that British beer
was chewable.

You believe what you read on usenet? Shame on you.
Like the USA, the UK has good beer and not-so-good beer.

Sadly, "Stella Artois" is a best seller, here. Nicknamed "wifebeater"
because of the sorts of people who drink it and what they do once they
have. :o(

Post by Scott Lurndal
I'm
partial to Abbot's Ale, myself,

+1

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Post by Huge

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by JimP

Post by Huge
It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Budweiser doesn't keep horses for their looks :-)

*grin* Took me a minute.

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by JimP
I've been told by someone in a different newsgroup that British beer
was chewable.

You believe what you read on usenet? Shame on you.
Like the USA, the UK has good beer and not-so-good beer.

Sadly, "Stella Artois" is a best seller, here. Nicknamed "wifebeater"
because of the sorts of people who drink it and what they do once they
have. :o(

Post by Scott Lurndal
I'm
partial to Abbot's Ale, myself,

+1

I was a young old man and drank Bass, as they all did. It's a rare drink
these days. (And I'm not sure it's the same) Anyway Holdens Mild is still
going albeit only in the W. Midlands. Other lovely Black Country beers
are available.
Modern microbreweries in the UK emulate the wonderful American ones; we
don't have to drink mass-marketed mass-produced lowest-production-cost
least-offensive weedy water.

[Bob Eager]

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
I was a young old man and drank Bass, as they all did. It's a rare drink
these days. (And I'm not sure it's the same) Anyway Holdens Mild is
still going albeit only in the W. Midlands. Other lovely Black Country
beers are available.
Modern microbreweries in the UK emulate the wonderful American ones; we
don't have to drink mass-marketed mass-produced lowest-production-cost
least-offensive weedy water.

How about Worthington White Shield?

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 12 Dec 2017 22:14:41 GMT

Post by Bob Eager
How about Worthington White Shield?

That rings a bell (long since stopped drinking), isn't that the one
that was valued by home brewers because you could filter the yeast out of
it ?

[Bob Eager]

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot

Post by Bob Eager
How about Worthington White Shield?

That rings a bell (long since stopped drinking), isn't that the one
that was valued by home brewers because you could filter the yeast out
of it ?

Yes, and hated by barmaids because it had to be decanted. I worked in a
bar and was very good at that.

The yeast does (did) work, and it tastes nice too.

Ocado were selling it fairly recently.

[maus]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
I was a young old man and drank Bass, as they all did. It's a rare drink
these days. (And I'm not sure it's the same) Anyway Holdens Mild is
still going albeit only in the W. Midlands. Other lovely Black Country
beers are available.
Modern microbreweries in the UK emulate the wonderful American ones; we
don't have to drink mass-marketed mass-produced lowest-production-cost
least-offensive weedy water.

How about Worthington White Shield?

There was a political row back years ago, Bass was boycotted in Ireland.
When I was young, I did work for a day for a man who invited me in for a
beer, a bottle of Bass. It was great, so I looked at the almost-torn
label, and asked how long it was in the house. "I don't know"

[Peter Flass]

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by Huge

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by JimP

Post by Huge
It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Budweiser doesn't keep horses for their looks :-)

*grin* Took me a minute.

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by JimP
I've been told by someone in a different newsgroup that British beer
was chewable.

You believe what you read on usenet? Shame on you.
Like the USA, the UK has good beer and not-so-good beer.

Sadly, "Stella Artois" is a best seller, here. Nicknamed "wifebeater"
because of the sorts of people who drink it and what they do once they
have. :o(

Post by Scott Lurndal
I'm
partial to Abbot's Ale, myself,

+1

I was a young old man and drank Bass, as they all did. It's a rare drink
these days. (And I'm not sure it's the same) Anyway Holdens Mild is still
going albeit only in the W. Midlands. Other lovely Black Country beers
are available.
Modern microbreweries in the UK emulate the wonderful American ones; we
don't have to drink mass-marketed mass-produced lowest-production-cost
least-offensive weedy water.

Unfortunately it seems a lot of microbreweries are coming out with stuff
lime pumpkin spice lime or similar swill. I don't drink these days, but
beer is beer, and the Germans have it right about what should be in it.

[Andy Leighton]

Post by Peter Flass
Unfortunately it seems a lot of microbreweries are coming out with stuff
lime pumpkin spice lime or similar swill. I don't drink these days, but
beer is beer, and the Germans have it right about what should be in it.

Nope. Most of Germany has very restricted choice - partly due to the
large breweries partly because of insularity of customers who have
blind faith in the Reinheitsgebot. There is a lack of innovation,
and not all beer innovation is lime pumpkin spice. Plus a lot of
traditional beer styles have disappeared (or are very hard to find).

[Gareth's Downstairs Computer]

Post by Peter Flass

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
I was a young old man and drank Bass, as they all did. It's a rare drink
these days. (And I'm not sure it's the same) Anyway Holdens Mild is still
going albeit only in the W. Midlands. Other lovely Black Country beers
are available.
Modern microbreweries in the UK emulate the wonderful American ones; we
don't have to drink mass-marketed mass-produced lowest-production-cost
least-offensive weedy water.

Unfortunately it seems a lot of microbreweries are coming out with stuff
lime pumpkin spice lime or similar swill. I don't drink these days, but
beer is beer, and the Germans have it right about what should be in it.

Because of a misspent youth, I've just got my 30-year-medal in AA.

But before it became necessary to stop, I counted myself fortunate in
living only 10 miles from the Wadworth brewery in Devizes and being
a customer of their 6X beer.

The X being an old way of the taxmen of assessing the duty payable,
so I assume that Castlemain 4X is watery by comparison?

It is said locally that 6X is so-called because it is
much like sex, ie, when it's good, it's very, very good and
when it's bad, it's still pretty good. :-)

[Andy Leighton]

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Modern microbreweries in the UK emulate the wonderful American ones; we
don't have to drink mass-marketed mass-produced lowest-production-cost
least-offensive weedy water.

Hmm the modern micros do, but there was an entire generation of
smaller breweries who were producing excellent beer more or less
continuously, and that exploded with new breweries in the early-90s.
I remember the local beer festival having no problems finding four
or five hundred good beers then.

[JimP]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by JimP

Post by Huge
It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Budweiser doesn't keep horses for their looks :-)

Post by JimP
I've been told by someone in a different newsgroup that British beer
was chewable.

You believe what you read on usenet? Shame on you.
Like the USA, the UK has good beer and not-so-good beer. I'm
partial to Abbot's Ale, myself, but the Irish brew a good stout.
Pete's Wicked Ale is a good American alternative.

Well, it was posted by a Brit. But since I stopped drinking beer in
1980, and 2 years ago stopped drinking alcohol of any type, it doesn't
matter to me.

[maus]

Post by JimP

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by JimP

Post by Huge
It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Budweiser doesn't keep horses for their looks :-)

Post by JimP
I've been told by someone in a different newsgroup that British beer
was chewable.

You believe what you read on usenet? Shame on you.
Like the USA, the UK has good beer and not-so-good beer. I'm
partial to Abbot's Ale, myself, but the Irish brew a good stout.
Pete's Wicked Ale is a good American alternative.

Well, it was posted by a Brit. But since I stopped drinking beer in
1980, and 2 years ago stopped drinking alcohol of any type, it doesn't
matter to me.

You need not drink it, just pour it, sit and smell it, and think of
times past, Better than a mendaline(sp?) (Proust)

[Bob Eager]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Budweiser doesn't keep horses for their looks :-)

I've been told by someone in a different newsgroup that British beer was
chewable.

You believe what you read on usenet? Shame on you.
Like the USA, the UK has good beer and not-so-good beer. I'm partial
to Abbot's Ale, myself, but the Irish brew a good stout.
Pete's Wicked Ale is a good American alternative.

I live ten miles from the oldest brewery in the country, in the county of
hop growing. Some lovely beers.

[Charlie Gibbs]

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

[Huge]

[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.

1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

The American micro-brewery movement is something to be proud of, though, with
the exception of the drive to get as much hops into IPA as is physically
possible, which produces some disgusting beers.

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by Huge
[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

[Peter Flass]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

Strohs

[JimP]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:59:36 -0700, Peter Flass

Post by Peter Flass

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

Strohs

Lets see. I drank Lone Star and Budewiser back in the 1970s. Don't
remember if I drank Pabst or not.

[Peter Flass]

Post by JimP
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:59:36 -0700, Peter Flass

Post by Peter Flass

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

Strohs

Lets see. I drank Lone Star and Budewiser back in the 1970s. Don't
remember if I drank Pabst or not.

I didn't unless nothing else was available.

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Post by JimP
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:59:36 -0700, Peter Flass

Post by Peter Flass

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

Strohs

Lets see. I drank Lone Star and Budewiser back in the 1970s. Don't
remember if I drank Pabst or not.

I remember my dad (who was from rural Texas) telling me that when you
ran out of beer you drank water. When you ran out of water you drank
Lone Star.

[jmfbahciv]

Post by Peter Flass

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

Strohs

Nah, Miller.

/BAH

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Post by jmfbahciv

Post by Peter Flass

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that
the Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air
circulates around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time
you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so
cold

you

Post by Peter Flass

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the
younger crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of
merit for beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by
the size of a can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You
had to drink it ice cold because you really didn't want to know
what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market
bitter much derided here.
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

Strohs

Nah, Miller.
/BAH

Bud Light.

Go on, name all national blands.

[Andreas Kohlbach]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge
It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.

says it all. :-)

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

Pabst was featured in a South Park episode some time ago. "I am white
trash, and I am in trouble".

[Pabst Blue Ribbon]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Huge
[33 lines snipped]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer
Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Stupid, aren't they? I have no idea why people use them.

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I remember Extra Old Stock, a beer that was preferred by the younger
crowd because of its high alcohol content. (The figure of merit for
beer was calculated by multiplying alcohol content by the size of a
can, and dividing that by the price per can.) You had to drink it
ice cold because you really didn't want to know what it tasted like.

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

Here it would have been Pabst Blue Ribbon, which appears to be
making somewhat of a comeback.

I can assure you some people really like it.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 12 Dec 2017 09:17:56 GMT

Post by Huge

Post by Charlie Gibbs
Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.

Me too, but since I'm a Cambridge lad it was a punt not a canoe.

Post by Huge
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

<declines ticket>

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
On 12 Dec 2017 09:17:56 GMT

Post by Huge

Post by Charlie Gibbs
Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.

Me too, but since I'm a Cambridge lad it was a punt not a canoe.

Post by Huge
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel
2nd Prize: Two barrels of Watney's Red Barrel

<declines ticket>

It's possiblhy a collector's rarity nowadays. I hope so; OK check
Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watney_Combe_%26_Reid#redbarrel

Whew thankfully not.

See Also: Double Diamond (keg, not the DBA)
and I'm glad to report McEwans Tartan is defunct!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McEwan%27s


enough of this filth (Ed).

[Bob Eager]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:41:53 GMT, Ahem A Rivet's Shot

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot

Post by Huge

Post by Charlie Gibbs
Q: Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
A: It's fucking close to water.

*grin* I first heard that of Watney's Red Barrel, a mass-market bitter
much derided here.

Me too, but since I'm a Cambridge lad it was a punt not a canoe.

Post by Huge
1st Prize: A barrel of Watneys' Red Barrel 2nd Prize: Two barrels of
Watney's Red Barrel

<declines ticket>

It's possiblhy a collector's rarity nowadays. I hope so; OK check
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watney_Combe_%26_Reid#redbarrel
Whew thankfully not.
See Also: Double Diamond (keg, not the DBA)
and I'm glad to report McEwans Tartan is defunct!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McEwan%27s

What about Whitbread Trophy Bitter? Yuk.

("the pint that thinks it's a quart")

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 12 Dec 2017 04:13:18 GMT

Post by Charlie Gibbs
I always thought it was because of those little toast racks that the
Brits seem to be so fond of. They guarantee that enough air circulates
around each slice that they're all ice cold by the time you grab one.

Some people like the butter on top of the toast, it is for these
people that toast racks were invented. The popularity might have something
to do with post war rationing as both butter and margarine were tightly
rationed putting it on cold toast made it spread further.

[David Wade]

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

As is most of the mass-market stuff they peddle in Europe. I bet no one
can tell the difference between Peroni, San Miguel, Stella Artois,
Heineken , Amstel or Fosters in a blind tasting...

Dave

[maus]

Post by David Wade

Post by Huge

Post by JimP
I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

As is most of the mass-market stuff they peddle in Europe. I bet no one
can tell the difference between Peroni, San Miguel, Stella Artois,
Heineken , Amstel or Fosters in a blind tasting...

You are trying the wrong beers, try Tyskie, or any German Beer.
(from one who has tried many)

Once a time, American Budweiser sponsored the local Darby, and the day
after, there would large amounts of free beer, (which had been brought in
for special guests) available in Paddy Leahy's pub across the road. When
enough was drank, the beer was pronounced as "BudWasher". Some locals
actually developed a liking for it.

(There is also Czech Budweiser, a far superior product, and once upon a
time, Sudeten Budweiser).

[Huge]

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Post by David Wade

Post by Huge

Post by JimP

Post by David Wade
One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold you
can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low temps...

I thought everyone knew it was due to different brewing methods.

It's because American mass market "beer" is disgusting piss.

As is most of the mass-market stuff they peddle in Europe.

Yep.

Post by David Wade
I bet no one
can tell the difference between Peroni, San Miguel, Stella Artois,
Heineken , Amstel or Fosters in a blind tasting...

And the stuff is even worse when it's made under license in the UK.

And worst of all is (American) Budweiser sold here. A British imitation
of an American forgery of a very decent Czech beer.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:16:01 +0000

Post by David Wade
As is most of the mass-market stuff they peddle in Europe. I bet no one
can tell the difference between Peroni, San Miguel, Stella Artois,
Heineken , Amstel or Fosters in a blind tasting...

There is often no difference, I recall a description of one brewery
that produced lager, premium lager, bitter, best bitter, stout and brown
ale (IIRC) - six beers but a very long list of brand names all well known
and assumed by most to be different.

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Post by David Wade

Post by Joe Pfeiffer

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:58:58 -0800 (PST)

On a related note, it is getting hard for me to crank up my car. I
heard some makes will introduce an electric starter.
Anyone know when?

They already exist, in several incompatible forms. They won't become
widespread until a standard shakes out over the dead bodies of the
various manufacturers who are trying to lock in customers. Give it
10 years or so.

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Mike Causer
When Joseph Lucas returns from the dead. Although having died in 1902
he might struggle with the concept.

Oh yes. Well known as "Lucas - Prince of Darkness".

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Q: Why do they eat cold toast?
A: Lucas makes toasters.

One might ask why in other countries they drink beer that is so cold
you can't taste it because the taste buds don't work at such low
temps...

See dictionary.com:

joke

noun
1. something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a
witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act: He tells
very funny jokes. She played a joke on him.