Injudicious Use of Stock Photo

[Quadibloc]

To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists can take dictation over the telephone...

the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a computer keyboard.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The-fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match-keyboard-users.html

You'll have to scroll down a bit.

What was wrong with that picture?

John Savard

[Charlie Gibbs]

Post by Quadibloc
To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists
can take dictation over the telephone...
the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a computer keyboard.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The-fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match-keyboard-users.html
You'll have to scroll down a bit.
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

As for the use of auto-completion (and -correct) to improve throughput,
I wonder how much this is influencing people's vocabulary. It might
discourage the use of words which aren't in the dictionary used by
the auto-completion algorithm (said dictionary might be deliberately
abridged in the name of space and speed).

But, dictionary or not, people will still talk like B1FF because it's ]<00L.

I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

[Peter Flass]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists
can take dictation over the telephone...
the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a computer keyboard.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The-fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match-keyboard-users.html
You'll have to scroll down a bit.
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.
As for the use of auto-completion (and -correct) to improve throughput,
I wonder how much this is influencing people's vocabulary. It might
discourage the use of words which aren't in the dictionary used by
the auto-completion algorithm (said dictionary might be deliberately
abridged in the name of space and speed).
But, dictionary or not, people will still talk like B1FF because it's ]<00L.
I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

I typically use my iPad touchscreen keyboard, and usually get several
errors per line - that I notice and correct. Lots of errors still get
thru. I have autocorrect turned off; it’s on on my phone and I get more
errors there because of it.

[Quadibloc]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of its
keyboard in terms of tactile feedback or such attributes, but instead that the
computer behind that keyboard was unlikely to be used these days for any serious
purpose.

John Savard

[Charlie Gibbs]

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of its
keyboard in terms of tactile feedback or such attributes, but instead that
the computer behind that keyboard was unlikely to be used these days for
any serious purpose.

You never know. That C64 might be running a terminal emulator
talking to a Unix supercomputer. :-)

[Mike Spencer]

Post by Charlie Gibbs
You never know. That C64 might be running a terminal emulator
talking to a Unix supercomputer. :-)

I was using an Osborne 1 with a terminal emulator to log into 2 Unix
accounts and a VMS account until the mid 90s. A friend from MIT
expressed amzement at seeing Emacs running on the already long
obsolete green-text monitor.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of

Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

[Huge]

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of

Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

I've been following this thread with some amusement, since I am sitting
about six feet away from someone (my wife) who was what is now called
an "executive assistant" to a very senior person in the British Government,
(it was called a "secretary" in her day, but that term has been subject
to inflation, like all job descriptions), can touch type at some
fearsome rate (she learned on a keyboard with blank keycaps), and has
pretty strong views on keyboards. We went through three before we found
one she liked ...

And it wasn't this one;

Loading Image...

BTW, she hates all Apple keyboards with a passion.

(I'm presently using a Logitech K800, which I like from a mechanical
PoV, but the way it switches the illumination on and off sucketh
copiously and there seems to be no way to adjust it, even using its
sucky Windows-only management software (I'm using Linux). If the
Das Keyboards were a bit cheaper, I'd buy one to see if they were any
good.)

[Robert Swindells]

If the Das Keyboards were a bit cheaper, I'd buy one to see if they
were any good.)

A bit cheaper than DAS keyboards are Filco ones, I'm very happy with
one that I bought recently.

[J. Clarke]

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 20:26:41 -0000 (UTC), Robert Swindells

Post by Robert Swindells

If the Das Keyboards were a bit cheaper, I'd buy one to see if they
were any good.)

A bit cheaper than DAS keyboards are Filco ones, I'm very happy with
one that I bought recently.

I used to use Unicomps, right now I'm using a Logitech gamer board and
it feels every bit as good. Bit noisy for the office though,
otherwise I'd take it in.

[Quadibloc]

Post by J. Clarke
I used to use Unicomps, right now I'm using a Logitech gamer board and
it feels every bit as good. Bit noisy for the office though,
otherwise I'd take it in.

Buckling springs make a great typing keyboard. But for gaming, you want a linear
switch instead, which is available by getting one of those mechanical gaming
keyboards with Cherry or ALPS switches. Or at least, so I've heard.

John Savard

[Huge]

Post by Robert Swindells

If the Das Keyboards were a bit cheaper, I'd buy one to see if they
were any good.)

A bit cheaper than DAS keyboards are Filco ones, I'm very happy with
one that I bought recently.

Thank you - I shall add those to the list.

[Quadibloc]

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was merely
staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped looking before I saw
what you did.

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was merely
staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped looking before I saw
what you did.

Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone engaged in
typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like those of a piano? Or
the hands are posed to suggest the idea of typing, except that they're typing as
many letters at once as there are fingers?

But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo instead of a
ludicrous one.

John Savard

[Bob Eager]

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was
merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped
looking before I saw what you did.

Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of typing,
except that they're typing as many letters at once as there are fingers?
But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
instead of a ludicrous one.

Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.

https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/

[Charlie Gibbs]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was
merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped
looking before I saw what you did.

Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of typing,
except that they're typing as many letters at once as there are fingers?
But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
instead of a ludicrous one.

Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/

I've loved that photo ever since a friend sent me a copy.

But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad
woman in the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the
thought of a blob of molten solder falling down her cleavage...

[Bob Eager]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo
was merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I
stopped looking before I saw what you did.

Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of
typing, except that they're typing as many letters at once as there
are fingers?
But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
instead of a ludicrous one.

Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/

I've loved that photo ever since a friend sent me a copy.
But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad woman in
the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the thought of a blob of
molten solder falling down her cleavage...

If I'm doing a lot of soldering or similar, I wear a thick cotton apron...

[Gene Wirchenko]

On 19 Oct 2019 18:46:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <***@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

[snip]

Post by Charlie Gibbs
But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad
woman in the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the
thought of a blob of molten solder falling down her cleavage...

Think of the jiggle?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Huge]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was
merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped
looking before I saw what you did.

Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of typing,
except that they're typing as many letters at once as there are fingers?
But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
instead of a ludicrous one.

Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/

I've loved that photo ever since a friend sent me a copy.
But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad
woman in the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the
thought of a blob of molten solder falling down her cleavage...

And the black guy is looking at the camera, not the workpiece.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 19 Oct 2019 18:26:25 GMT

Post by Bob Eager
Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/

Thank you I needed a good laugh, the comments on how bad the
photographs are miss the detail that that soldering iron is completely
unsuited for fine work, it appears to have a 1/4" pencil bit. Oh and wot no
earthing strap.

This could be like those kids 'spot the difference' games - 'spot
all the mistakes'.

[Jan van den Broek]

Sun, 20 Oct 2019 06:35:29 +0100
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <***@eircom.net> schrieb:

[Schnipp]

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
This could be like those kids 'spot the difference' games - 'spot
all the mistakes'.

Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
with two photographs in almost the same settings:
-- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
-- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio

The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
country.

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Tue, 2019-10-22, Jan van den Broek wrote:
...

Post by Jan van den Broek
Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
-- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
-- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
country.

How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
different in different countries?

/Jorgen

[Peter Flass]

Post by Jorgen Grahn
...

Post by Jan van den Broek
Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
-- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
-- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
country.

How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
different in different countries?

Dress differently? Fewer women?

Post by Jorgen Grahn
/Jorgen

[Jan van den Broek]

23 Oct 2019 11:00:15 GMT

Post by Jorgen Grahn
...

Post by Jan van den Broek
Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
-- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
-- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
country.

How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
different in different countries?

Mainly etnicity, iirc.

[Jan van den Broek]

Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:17:56 +0100

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of

Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
nails.
She didn't last long.

[David Wade]

Post by Jan van den Broek
Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:17:56 +0100

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of

Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
nails.
She didn't last long.

On the contrary I remember a key2disk operator who had really long nails
and who could still manage around 15 to 20,000 key depressions an hour
with good accuracy. Every thing was double keyed so we knew she was
accurate!

To achieve this she sat low and kept here palms as low as possible. she
was stunning to watch. Of course as is the way of things, she was
promoted to shift leader......

Dave

[Peter Flass]

Post by David Wade

Post by Jan van den Broek
Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:17:56 +0100

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of

Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
nails.
She didn't last long.

On the contrary I remember a key2disk operator who had really long nails
and who could still manage around 15 to 20,000 key depressions an hour
with good accuracy. Every thing was double keyed so we knew she was
accurate!
To achieve this she sat low and kept here palms as low as possible. she
was stunning to watch. Of course as is the way of things, she was
promoted to shift leader......

Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

[h***@bbs.cpcn.com]

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).

I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.

[Charlie Gibbs]

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).

Numeric-only keyboards were indeed a lower-cost option.
I once saw a perfectly dreadful sci-fi movie titled
_The Brain Machine_. It did have nice shots of a
360/50 machine room, though. But next to the 1052
they had a 2260 with colour CCTV images superimposed
on its screen - and the keyboard was numeric-only,
I suppose the producer wanted to give it a strange,
futuristic look.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

Nevertheless, thousands of keypunch operators did exactly that.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.

It's a living, I guess...

[Don Poitras]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).

Numeric-only keyboards were indeed a lower-cost option.
I once saw a perfectly dreadful sci-fi movie titled
_The Brain Machine_. It did have nice shots of a
360/50 machine room, though. But next to the 1052
they had a 2260 with colour CCTV images superimposed
on its screen - and the keyboard was numeric-only,
I suppose the producer wanted to give it a strange,
futuristic look.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

Nevertheless, thousands of keypunch operators did exactly that.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.

It's a living, I guess...

My dad was a radio operator in WWII (merchant marines). It wasn't voice, but
morse code. We used to try to get him to tap out our names and such and he'd
say, "I never really learned the letters, all we would tap out was numbers."
The messages were encrypted, so he never knew what he was sending or receiving.

[Gene Wirchenko]

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Huge]

Post by Gene Wirchenko

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.

I knew a (British) Post Office Coastal Radio Operator who could transcribe
Morse code and talk at the same time.

[googlegroups jmfbahciv]

Post by Gene Wirchenko

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.

the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
don't think about it.

/BAH

[Hill Stone]

Post by googlegroups jmfbahciv

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.

the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
don't think about it.
/BAH

Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took <a href="https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html">sun images</a> from there and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.

[maus]

Post by Hill Stone

Post by googlegroups jmfbahciv

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.

the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
don't think about it.
/BAH

Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took <a href="https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html">sun images</a> from there and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.

/BAH returns?

[Jan van den Broek]

^^^^

[Schnipp]

Post by maus

/BAH

/BAH returns?

No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

[maus]

Post by Jan van den Broek
^^^^
[Schnipp]

Post by maus

/BAH

/BAH returns?

No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

Google groups, more than gmail.

[D.J.]

Post by maus

Post by Jan van den Broek
^^^^
[Schnipp]

Post by maus

/BAH

/BAH returns?

No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

Google groups, more than gmail.

Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.

[Dennis Boone]

Post by D.J.
Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.

https://www.boredpanda.com/soldering-iron-stock-image-fails/

[D.J.]

Post by Dennis Boone

Post by D.J.
Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.

https://www.boredpanda.com/soldering-iron-stock-image-fails/

Yup, those are the ones.

[Peter Flass]

Post by D.J.

Post by maus

Post by Jan van den Broek
^^^^
[Schnipp]

Post by maus

/BAH

/BAH returns?

No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

Google groups, more than gmail.

Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.

BTDT

[Jan van den Broek]

16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT

Post by maus

Post by Jan van den Broek
^^^^
[Schnipp]

Post by maus

/BAH

/BAH returns?

No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

Google groups, more than gmail.

You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.

[Sn!pe]

Jan van den Broek <***@xs4all.nl> wrote:

[...]

Post by Jan van den Broek

Post by maus

Post by Jan van den Broek
No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

Google groups, more than gmail.

You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.

A sweeping generalisation, how nice.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:

--***********

What's up with your clock?

It is this header you put:

Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

Post by Jan van den Broek
16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT

Post by maus

Post by Jan van den Broek
^^^^
[Schnipp]

Post by maus

/BAH

/BAH returns?

No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

Google groups, more than gmail.

You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by Carlos E.R.
--***********
What's up with your clock?
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

That means that the data used to generate that time
had a value of 32400, which probably means the feature
isn't supported by his MUA or his MUA is misconfigured.

$ date --date='@32400'
Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 PST 1970
$

[Andreas Kohlbach]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Carlos E.R.
--***********
What's up with your clock?
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
headers of posts.

Post by Scott Lurndal
That means that the data used to generate that time
had a value of 32400, which probably means the feature
isn't supported by his MUA or his MUA is misconfigured.
Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 PST 1970
$

Or his clock runs a 16-bit (unsigned) counter.

~$ date --date='@65535'
Thu Jan 1 13:12:15 EST 1970

;-)

[Carlos E.R.]

Post by Andreas Kohlbach

Post by Carlos E.R.
--***********
What's up with your clock?
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
headers of posts.

Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
1970, it is visible in the display panel. So I looked inside, and saw:


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Jan van den Broek <***@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
Message-ID: <***@xs4all.nl>
X-No-Ahbou: yes
X-Timestamp: 64162737
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
X-mas: in 282 days.
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
X-Order: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please.
X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
X-Answer: 42
X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.

All those are headers he created on purpose.


Lines: 25
Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
Injection-Info: news.kpn.nl; mail-complaints-to="***@kpn.com"
X-Received-Bytes: 2044
Xref: Telcontar.valinor alt.folklore.computers:38089

[Andy Burns]

Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by Andreas Kohlbach
He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
headers of posts.

Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

Indeed, what are you even meant to do with a Reply-By: header on usenet?

<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1327#section-5.3.4>

Thankfully its a long time since I had to think about X.400

[D.J.]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 21:28:03 +0100, "Carlos E.R."

Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by Andreas Kohlbach

Post by Carlos E.R.
--***********
What's up with your clock?
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
headers of posts.

Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
X-No-Ahbou: yes
X-Timestamp: 64162737
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
X-mas: in 282 days.
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
X-Order: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please.
X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
X-Answer: 42
X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.
All those are headers he created on purpose.

And I have a silly organization line.

[Jan van den Broek]

Post by Andreas Kohlbach

Post by Carlos E.R.
--***********
What's up with your clock?
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
headers of posts.

I'm using this header for years (twenty or so), it's is the first time
someone mentioned noticing this.

[Carlos E.R.]

Post by Jan van den Broek

Post by Andreas Kohlbach

Post by Carlos E.R.
--***********
What's up with your clock?
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
headers of posts.

I'm using this header for years (twenty or so), it's is the first time
someone mentioned noticing this.

Look at the quote header line above, in which it says «On 1970-01-01
01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote». I notice when things break.

This post shows the correct date.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Carlos E.R.
This post shows the correct date.

The *DATE:* header shows 2023
it's the (more or less spurious) *REPLY-BY:* header that shows 1970

[Carlos E.R.]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Carlos E.R.
This post shows the correct date.

The *DATE:* header shows 2023
it's the (more or less spurious) *REPLY-BY:* header that shows 1970

Yes, but I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts
displays the date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's
the problem.

The one that is correct shows:

User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Patched for libcanlock3) (NetBSD)

The incorrect one shows:

X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader

[Andy Burns]

Post by Carlos E.R.
I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts
displays the date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's
the problem.

Well, none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)

[Vir Campestris]

Post by Andy Burns

I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts displays the
date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's the problem.

Well, none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)

I see one

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Jan van den Broek <***@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten
References: <***@xs4all.nl>
<qop8k4$8cf$***@dont-email.me>
<1582176285.593550455.962387.peter_flass-***@news.eternal-september.org>
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<***@4ax.com>
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<ec82185f-3e24-41c0-8bb2-***@googlegroups.com>
<***@mid.individual.net> <***@sdf.org>
<***@mid.individual.net>
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
Message-ID: <***@xs4all.nl>
X-No-Ahbou: yes
X-Timestamp: 64162737
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
X-mas: in 282 days.
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
X-Order: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please.
X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
X-Answer: 42
X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.
Path:
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But I can't see why that one in particular comes out on that date.

I do note it says his time zone is CET which might explain the 01:00.

Andy

[Andy Burns]

Post by Vir Campestris

Post by Andy Burns
none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)

I see one
But I can't see why that one in particular comes out on that date.
I do note it says his time zone is CET which might explain the 01:00.

do you see more than these 6 messages from him?

<Loading Image...>

[Carlos E.R.]

Post by Andy Burns

I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts displays the
date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's the problem.

Well, none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)

https://paste.opensuse.org/5aa799ecc9a0

[Dennis Boone]

Post by Carlos E.R.
--***********
What's up with your clock?

I suspect what's going on here is that some (*cough*tbird*cough*)
software is choking on the time zone spec in his date field. A _strict_
interpretation of RFC2822/5322 doesn't include arbitrary time zone spec
strings. You're allowed +/- four digits, or some military zone spec, or
a short list of mostly US-centric TLAs.

Yes, being that strict would violate the principle of "liberal in what
you accept". Yes, it'd be stupid not to accept common time zone
strings, if not pretty much any zone TLA there. Yes, it's software, and
_most_ of it is stupid in some form or another. But the fact that not
everyone sees this suggests there's a variable like different software
in play.

There _is_ a Reply-By: header defined[1] for use with X.400 systems, but
I'd never heard of it until I did a little searching just now, and I
sincerely hope that news readers aren't abusing its purpose somehow.

De


[1] RFC 2156

[Carlos E.R.]

Post by Dennis Boone

Post by Carlos E.R.
--***********
What's up with your clock?

I suspect what's going on here is that some (*cough*tbird*cough*)
software is choking on the time zone spec in his date field.

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET

Post by Dennis Boone
A _strict_
interpretation of RFC2822/5322 doesn't include arbitrary time zone spec
strings. You're allowed +/- four digits, or some military zone spec, or
a short list of mostly US-centric TLAs.
Yes, being that strict would violate the principle of "liberal in what
you accept". Yes, it'd be stupid not to accept common time zone
strings, if not pretty much any zone TLA there. Yes, it's software, and
_most_ of it is stupid in some form or another. But the fact that not
everyone sees this suggests there's a variable like different software
in play.

So it resets to the start of time (zeroes?), not that it uses the
"Reply-By" string. It could also have used:

Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100

Post by Dennis Boone
There _is_ a Reply-By: header defined[1] for use with X.400 systems, but
I'd never heard of it until I did a little searching just now, and I
sincerely hope that news readers aren't abusing its purpose somehow.
De
[1] RFC 2156

[Dennis Boone]

Post by Carlos E.R.
So it resets to the start of time (zeroes?), not that it uses the

More like the parse failed so it never filled it in, probably,
but yes.

Post by Carlos E.R.
Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100

I doubt many newsreaders go fishing for any field other than Date
when they set up a quote like that.

De

[Carlos E.R.]

Post by Dennis Boone

Post by Carlos E.R.
So it resets to the start of time (zeroes?), not that it uses the

More like the parse failed so it never filled it in, probably,
but yes.

That's what I meant. Fail parse, not filled, so the variable has
whatever value it gets on creation as new by whatever compiler they use,
or the programmer set it intentionally to "zero" when the code creates
it. The 1970 date marks variable not filled. Assuming that 1970... the
lowest value it can hold.

Post by Dennis Boone

Post by Carlos E.R.
Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100

I doubt many newsreaders go fishing for any field other than Date
when they set up a quote like that.

Right.

[Peter Flass]

Post by maus

Post by Hill Stone

Post by googlegroups jmfbahciv

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.

the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
don't think about it.
/BAH

Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply
not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and
on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any
topic. Recently, I took <a
href="https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html">sun images</a>
from there and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.

/BAH returns?

2019

[Hill Stone]

Post by googlegroups jmfbahciv

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Peter Flass
Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.

the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
don't think about it.
/BAH

Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took sun images here https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.

[googlegroups jmfbahciv]

Post by Peter Flass

Post by David Wade

Post by Jan van den Broek
Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:17:56 +0100

Post by Ahem A Rivet's Shot
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)

Post by Quadibloc

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by Quadibloc
What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of

Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
nails.
She didn't last long.

On the contrary I remember a key2disk operator who had really long nails
and who could still manage around 15 to 20,000 key depressions an hour
with good accuracy. Every thing was double keyed so we knew she was
accurate!
To achieve this she sat low and kept here palms as low as possible. she
was stunning to watch. Of course as is the way of things, she was
promoted to shift leader......

Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

In Tape Prep, one could read/learn the code we typed; or we could
read the internal memos we typed. I learned a lot about the
manufacturing business and DEC's business, development, and secrets
by doing that "data entry". I also tested the hell out of the
monitor and CUSP software which was a lot of fun. I saved a lot
of embarrassment and customer angst by uncovering and reporting
all the bugs I found. That was fun.

/BAH

[Gene Wirchenko]

On 18 Oct 2019 18:04:11 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <***@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

[snip]

Post by Charlie Gibbs
I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Holding that tight a grip on your keyboard must really mess with
your typing speed.

I just snarl.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Post by Gene Wirchenko
[snip]

Post by Charlie Gibbs
I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

On the internet, no-one knows you're a zombie.

Post by Gene Wirchenko
Holding that tight a grip on your keyboard must really mess with
your typing speed.
I just snarl.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko