Post by Questor Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 22 May 2020 14:29:46 -0700, Peter Flass
Post by Peter Flass
As we were saying.
He's about to find out what causes people to join labor unions.
OTOH there's a huge difference in living costs. In my old area in upstate
NY the average house costs under $300,000. We lived in a development
interwoven with lots of woods and well-maintained hiking trails, and
relatively little traffic. I forget what the cost of a house mentioned in
the article was, but it was several times more than that for a comparable
house on a tiny lot. Gas is also a lot more in California. I know Scott
likes it, but you can live as well in many areas for 1/4 the salary. Weâd
possibly still be there except we moved to be near family.
And what's the economic base of upstate New York? There's no major extractive
industry, relatively little in the way of natural or cultural attraction, and no
historic population centers.
Oh, please. One thing I miss where I am now are exactly those things. No
"extractive" industry but a lot of high-tech manufacturing throughout the
area. Natural attractions? The Adirondacks are larger than many national
parks, and the area is loaded with beautiful lakes, from Lake Champlain and
Lake George to the Finger Lakes and two great lakes. Lots of skiing in the
winter. They have more history than any place outside of Plymouth - Albany
recently celebrated its tricentennial. Saratoga Springs gets the
Philadelphia Orchestra and the New York City Ballet in the summer (besides
the usual muck or rock concerts). Saratoga Race Course has the best horses
Those might be attractive qualities to you, and perhaps even myself, but the
proof is in the pudding. The fact is that large numbers of people are not
moving to Saratoga Springs or Utica. They do move to places like the San
Francisco Bay Area, Boston, Seattle, or Las Vegas, because, again, those
locations have a significant economic base and provide a lot of job
San Francisco, redwood forests, and the California coast are visited by people
from around the world who travel there specifically to see them. I doubt you
could say that about the Adironacks, nice as they are. And there's simply no
comparison between the arts community in the Bay Area versus what can be found
in upstate New York. You're confusing "history" with "historic population
centers," and I admit that San Francisco does not have the same lengthy history
that parts of New York has. But Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts all
have many more historic sites than New York, apart from New York City.
Post by Questor
Consequently, there's little demand to live there
and so housing is less expensive. Silicon Valley arising in the Santa Clara
Valley may have been accidental in part, but even had it occured somewhere else,
the region has San Francisco, more dramatic natural attractions, and arguably
better weather, so it would probably still be more popular than upstate
Better weather, but a lot more earthquakes. I agree it would be a wonderful
place to live if it weren't so crowded.
Blizzards and ice storms. The effects from earthquakes are largely localized,
ranging a few tens of miles, and most people are not adversely affected. They
can get on with their business in short order, if not immediately. Blizzards
extend for hundreds of miles, everyone is impacted, and it can take days to dig
As mentioned elsewhere: mosquitos. Mosquitos in the East are markedly more
numerous and aggressive than on the West Coast. And let's not forget black
flies. And now there are ticks carrying Lyme Disease. I don't think that's
spread to West Coast yet. Insects are simply not as much nuisance in the West
as they are in the East.
Mind you, I'm not trying to start an East vs. West debate here. I'm
specifically comparing the San Francisco Bay Area to upstate New York (mostly as
I define it.) As a counter example, the greater Boston area compares favorably.
The mountains in Vermont and New Hampshire are within striking distance, there's
the ocean, and Boston has intellectual and cultural attractions up the yin-yang.
The fall foliage is spectacularly beautiful.
But no one should be puzzling over why the San Francisco Bay Area is more
popular than upstate New York.