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Jason Evans
2020-09-06 12:08:36 UTC
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I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .

One of the most famous stories is from a Finnish grad student starting
his own OS. I've already got that one in my notes.

What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet.
I've got several gigs of archives from archive.org going back to the
80's. If you can tell me the story, the newsgroup, and approximately when
(withing 3-5 years), I can probably find the original posts with some
digging. That's how I found the original post from the grad student :).

Thanks!

X-posted to alt.folklore.computers, alt.fan.usenet, news.groups,
r/usenet, r/internet, and r/oldinternet
Bob Eager
2020-09-06 14:08:36 UTC
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I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .
One of the most famous stories is from a Finnish grad student starting
his own OS. I've already got that one in my notes.
What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet.
I've got several gigs of archives from archive.org going back to the
80's. If you can tell me the story, the newsgroup, and approximately
when (withing 3-5 years), I can probably find the original posts with
some digging. That's how I found the original post from the grad student
:).
The 500 mile email
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Bud Spencer
2020-09-06 15:02:51 UTC
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The 500 mile email
Legend!


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John Levine
2020-09-06 18:27:03 UTC
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The 500 mile email
Legend!
I gather that early on, there were two overseas Internet links to
Australia, different ISPs connected to one or the other, and for a
while email to your neighbor in oz might take a detour through
California.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
2020-09-06 22:01:40 UTC
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The 500 mile email
Legend!
I gather that early on, there were two overseas Internet links to
Australia, different ISPs connected to one or the other, and for a
while email to your neighbor in oz might take a detour through
California.
A very similar thing went on between the various Irish ISPs for
a while with each having a connection out of the country as their feed.
Eventually an interchange was set up in Dublin but until then Irish
internet traffic mostly took long routes.
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Jason Evans
2020-09-07 16:59:48 UTC
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The 500 mile email
The original post is here:
https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

It was originally never posted to Usenet, but to a long dead mailing
list. Though, I'm sure people posted and re-posted it here also. It also
doesn't have anything to do with Usenet so it really doesn't fit with
what I'm trying to do.
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Michael LeVine
2020-09-07 17:35:34 UTC
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The 500 mile email
https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
It was originally never posted to Usenet, but to a long dead mailing
list. Though, I'm sure people posted and re-posted it here also. It also
doesn't have anything to do with Usenet so it really doesn't fit with
what I'm trying to do.
How about the following

"PC Roadkill" Michael Hyman

Also a number of books by Robert L. Glass
"Power of Peonage"
"Computing Shakeout"
"The Universal Elixer and other Computing Projects Which Failed"
"The Second Coming: MOre Computing Projects that Failed"
"Software Foaklore"
"Tales of Computing Folk"
"Computing Catastrophies"
"Software 2020"
"Software Soliloquies"

Some can be found on Amazon and
https://www.abebooks.com
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JimP
2020-09-08 14:31:42 UTC
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Post by Jason Evans
Post by Bob Eager
The 500 mile email
https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
It was originally never posted to Usenet, but to a long dead mailing
list. Though, I'm sure people posted and re-posted it here also. It also
doesn't have anything to do with Usenet so it really doesn't fit with
what I'm trying to do.
Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
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Bob Eager
2020-09-08 14:43:57 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:59:48 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
Post by Jason Evans
Post by Bob Eager
The 500 mile email
https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
It was originally never posted to Usenet, but to a long dead mailing
list. Though, I'm sure people posted and re-posted it here also. It also
doesn't have anything to do with Usenet so it really doesn't fit with
what I'm trying to do.
Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.

I installed postfix instead.
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Niklas Karlsson
2020-09-08 14:53:03 UTC
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Post by JimP
Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.
I installed postfix instead.
I wouldn't touch sendmail.cf directly, but depending on your use case,
doing it via sendmail.mc and running it through the macro processor is
tolerable.

Postfix _is_ nicer, though.

Niklas
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Bob Eager
2020-09-08 15:41:53 UTC
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Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.
I installed postfix instead.
I wouldn't touch sendmail.cf directly, but depending on your use case,
doing it via sendmail.mc and running it through the macro processor is
tolerable.
The trouble is that m4 is awful, too.
Post by Niklas Karlsson
Postfix _is_ nicer, though.
Indeed!
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
2020-09-08 19:53:36 UTC
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Post by Bob Eager
Post by JimP
Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.
I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
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Scott Lurndal
2020-09-08 20:45:51 UTC
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On 8 Sep 2020 14:43:57 GMT
Post by Bob Eager
Post by JimP
Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.
I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
I always found the O'reilly _Sendmail Cookbook_ to be quite useful
when working with sendmail.cf.
Niklas Karlsson
2020-09-09 14:45:53 UTC
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I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
nightmare.

Niklas
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Charlie Gibbs
2020-09-09 17:20:52 UTC
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I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
nightmare.
I never went near sendmail. Configuring X was bad enough.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
2020-09-09 17:48:16 UTC
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I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
nightmare.
I never went near sendmail. Configuring X was bad enough.
Compiling X the first time caused me some grief - the version of
Interactive I had lacked TCP/IP, streams and IPC. It also had an irritating
line length limitation in make that broke the Xlib Makefile (at least) in
X11R5. Pseudo TTY pairs was the only communication mechanism available, and
only one side of that was implemented in the X11 code. Getting an X on the
screen that moved with the mouse took some effort.
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Robert Swindells
2020-09-09 19:02:51 UTC
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I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
nightmare.
I never went near sendmail. Configuring X was bad enough.
Compiling X the first time caused me some grief - the version of
Interactive I had lacked TCP/IP, streams and IPC. It also had an
irritating line length limitation in make that broke the Xlib Makefile
(at least) in X11R5. Pseudo TTY pairs was the only communication
mechanism available, and only one side of that was implemented in the
X11 code. Getting an X on the screen that moved with the mouse took some
effort.
I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
to work.

I was using a graphics card with a TMS34010 processor so getting the
display part working was a lot more effort than the comms driver.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
2020-09-09 20:06:59 UTC
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I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a
puntmail workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a
"drop" and a "kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
nightmare.
I never went near sendmail. Configuring X was bad enough.
Compiling X the first time caused me some grief - the version of
Interactive I had lacked TCP/IP, streams and IPC. It also had an
irritating line length limitation in make that broke the Xlib Makefile
(at least) in X11R5. Pseudo TTY pairs was the only communication
mechanism available, and only one side of that was implemented in the
X11 code. Getting an X on the screen that moved with the mouse took some
effort.
I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
to work.
I believe that happened in the release *after* the one I was using.
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John Levine
2020-09-09 21:33:38 UTC
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I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
to work.
STREAMS were added in SVR4 so it depends which version you had. We shipped
a lot of SVR3 based systems.
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Robert Swindells
2020-09-09 21:50:31 UTC
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I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
to work.
STREAMS were added in SVR4 so it depends which version you had. We
shipped a lot of SVR3 based systems.
It was SVR3.2, my AT&T STREAMS manuals are the same version.
Scott Lurndal
2020-09-10 15:49:13 UTC
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I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
to work.
STREAMS were added in SVR4 so it depends which version you had. We
shipped a lot of SVR3 based systems.
It was SVR3.2, my AT&T STREAMS manuals are the same version.
I believe that STREAMS was an optional product for SVR3.2. It was
built-in to SVR4.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
2020-09-09 17:03:28 UTC
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I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
nightmare.
Compared to modifying the XSLT used to convert docbook-xml into
XSL-FO so as to suit company documentation standards, sendmail.cf is a piece
of cake. Control flow in XSLT resembles dynamic come-from with wild cards
and XSL-FO is complex and has never been completely (or correctly)
implemented.
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Thomas Koenig
2020-09-06 16:22:09 UTC
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What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet.
There was the Usenet Oracle, now renamed as the Internet Oracle.

Also, a look at https://hack.org/mc/texts/net-legends.txt will
give you some things to look for.

I'm still looking for Peter da Silva's "Usenet Olympics", that
was quite funny (but of course you'll need to know some
background at the time).
Jorgen Grahn
2020-09-06 19:01:33 UTC
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Post by Jason Evans
What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet.
There was the Usenet Oracle, now renamed as the Internet Oracle.
Also, a look at https://hack.org/mc/texts/net-legends.txt will
give you some things to look for.
I'm still looking for Peter da Silva's "Usenet Olympics", that
was quite funny (but of course you'll need to know some
background at the time).
Sounds interesting. I don't see it among his essays:

http://www.taronga.com/~peter/io/

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Anssi Saari
2020-09-06 16:44:37 UTC
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I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .
I liked the Kremvax hoax although that was long before I got on Usenet.
Owen Rees
2020-09-06 20:46:19 UTC
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Post by Jason Evans
I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .
One of the most famous stories is from a Finnish grad student starting
his own OS. I've already got that one in my notes.
What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet.
I've got several gigs of archives from archive.org going back to the
80's. If you can tell me the story, the newsgroup, and approximately when
(withing 3-5 years), I can probably find the original posts with some
digging. That's how I found the original post from the grad student :).
Thanks!
X-posted to alt.folklore.computers, alt.fan.usenet, news.groups,
r/usenet, r/internet, and r/oldinternet
If you have Message-ID: <***@otter.hpl.hp.com> which was posted to
rec.arts.movies 13 Dec 90 you will find a message about v1.5 of the
scripts that evolved into IMDb. It was posted by Col Needham who is
still CEO of IMDb.

The IMDb press room page about Col Needham does not mention usenet but
that was where it started. It says the first version was published in
October 1990 so if you have rec.arts.movies for that month you may have
the message about the very first version.
Jason Evans
2020-09-07 06:27:05 UTC
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rec.arts.movies 13 Dec 90 you will find a message about v1.5 of the
scripts that evolved into IMDb. It was posted by Col Needham who is
still CEO of IMDb.
The IMDb press room page about Col Needham does not mention usenet but
that was where it started. It says the first version was published in
October 1990 so if you have rec.arts.movies for that month you may have
the message about the very first version.
My archives only go back to 1993 for rec.arts.movies, but I did find the
original post that you are referring to on Google Groups. Thanks, this is
very interesting! I also see that he would post yearly messages with
lists of actors and directors, so I can totally see how this became IMDB.
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Dallas
2020-09-09 17:22:07 UTC
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If you dare!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_the_Internet#alt.religion.scientology
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I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet ...
Kerr-Mudd,John
2020-11-03 19:46:21 UTC
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If you dare!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_the_Internet#alt.religion
.scientology
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I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
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I did. Be afraid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelly_Miscavige
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DNews
2020-10-16 08:23:22 UTC
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I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .
Where and when can we see the conference? can you send a link to it?
Faux Dameron
2020-10-16 14:40:33 UTC
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Post by Jason Evans
I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .
Where and when can we see the conference? can you send a link to it?
The conference is the openSUSE conference. I did my presentation earlier
today. I'll post the video once it gets uploaded to YouTube in a week or
two.
f6k
2020-10-16 21:02:54 UTC
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The conference is the openSUSE conference. I did my presentation earlier
today. I'll post the video once it gets uploaded to YouTube in a week or
two.
yes, please!

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Schmitty
2020-11-06 09:13:43 UTC
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I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .
Where and when can we see the conference? can you send a link to it?
I'm still waiting for the link to the conference, would really like to
watch.

A.T. Murray
2020-10-21 19:30:40 UTC
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[...] What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet. [...]
Kilroy was not here, but Mentifex was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here

First-ever Mentifex FAQ (1996):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.speech/yahN5-cOAQk/noUBkZT93N4J

First-ever Mentifex Usenet post "Linguistic Mind-Model" (1985)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/net.ai/IJpSNRGEE7w/70BtsqcpRDoJ
It would be extremely interesting to see a working model of the concepts in the "Mentifex Tutorial".
http://ai.neocities.org/Ghost.html -- Artificial Intelligence in English;
http://ai.neocities.org/Abracadabra.html -- AI in ancient Latin;
http://ai.neocities.org/Dushka.html -- AI in Russian.
Schmitty
2020-10-23 10:05:09 UTC
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[...] What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet. [...]
Kilroy was not here, but Mentifex was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.speech/yahN5-cOAQk/noUBkZT93N4J
First-ever Mentifex Usenet post "Linguistic Mind-Model" (1985)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/net.ai/IJpSNRGEE7w/70BtsqcpRDoJ
It would be extremely interesting to see a working model of the concepts in the "Mentifex Tutorial".
http://ai.neocities.org/Ghost.html -- Artificial Intelligence in English;
http://ai.neocities.org/Abracadabra.html -- AI in ancient Latin;
http://ai.neocities.org/Dushka.html -- AI in Russian.
see http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html: "... Murray is the
author of software which he claims has produced an “artificial mind” and
has “solved AI”. He has also produced a vanity-published book which he
touts as a textbook for teaching AI."
- if anyone is interested in where the above post comes from

--thomas.
Jason Evans
2020-10-24 07:10:50 UTC
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see http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html: "... Murray is the
author of software which he claims has produced an “artificial mind” and
has “solved AI”. He has also produced a vanity-published book which he
touts as a textbook for teaching AI."
- if anyone is interested in where the above post comes from
--thomas.
This link is broken, but I know the person who owns this website. I'll
have to ask him about it.

__
JE
Andy Burns
2020-10-24 07:47:22 UTC
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http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
This link is broken
It seems fine to me, your browser didn't pick up the trailing colon
after ".html" did it?
Jason Evans
2020-10-24 18:00:58 UTC
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It seems fine to me, your browser didn't pick up the trailing colon
after ".html" did it?
It's working now. Must have been something weird going on. I was getting
a 404 the first time.
JimP
2020-10-24 23:17:40 UTC
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http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
This link is broken
It seems fine to me, your browser didn't pick up the trailing colon
after ".html" did it?
Somewhat something. Thansk for posting it, I think.
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Jim
Andy Burns
2020-10-25 08:03:15 UTC
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It seems fine to me, your browser didn't pick up the trailing colon
after ".html" did it?
Somewhat something. Thansk for posting it, I think.
I mean there was no separator after the URL, so it could have been
recognised as

<http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html:>

Which does give me a 404 error ...
JimP
2020-10-25 15:32:00 UTC
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It seems fine to me, your browser didn't pick up the trailing colon
after ".html" did it?
Somewhat something. Thansk for posting it, I think.
I mean there was no separator after the URL, so it could have been
recognised as
<http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html:>
Which does give me a 404 error ...
I did it without the colon, works fine.
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